If you have a problem with the outcome of this trial, you should lay blame where it should be. At the ineptitude of the prosecuting attorneys and how they presented what little evidence that they had. And put your big boy pants on, go back to race bating poverty pimp land and GET OVER IT!!!!! [:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0]

Eagle: I read 1% of what you wrote before I nodded off.. zzzzzzzzzzzzz End story: There is a gun. Carry it responsibly. Don't shoot any fucker that you see. If you can't handle it, you shouldn't have a gun. I'm not against guns. I own (a) gun(s). (Somewhere. In Wisconsin.) But most of the people I have and have not met shouldn't own a gun. Therefore, less guns is better.

quote: quote: Originally posted by Phishpond417 Eagle: I read 1% of what you wrote before I nodded off.. zzzzzzzzzzzzz End story: There is a gun. Carry it responsibly. Don't shoot any fucker that you see. If you can't handle it, you shouldn't have a gun. I'm not against guns. I own (a) gun(s). (Somewhere. In Wisconsin.) But most of the people I have and have not met shouldn't own a gun. Therefore, less guns is better.

Which makes me feel the problem to resolve is the gun laws. Clash pointed out the criminal history of Mr. Z. Oiz pointed out the "little evidence." You indicated that less people should own guns. While, it is a constitutional right to bear an arm, committing crimes ought to restrict those rights - certainly not give someone the right to carry in public, sheesh. Instead, we'll work on solving race problems - not a bad cause, but not the primary problem here. Fix the law(s) that allowed this reckless event to happen. (And, yes, a law won't prevent people from committing more crimes like this, but it sure would be nice to see Mr. Z locked up for it.)

quote: Originally posted by Phishpond417 Eagle: I read 1% of what you wrote before I nodded off.. zzzzzzzzzzzzz End story: There is a gun. Carry it responsibly. Don't shoot any fucker that you see. If you can't handle it, you shouldn't have a gun. I'm not against guns. I own (a) gun(s). (Somewhere. In Wisconsin.) But most of the people I have and have not met shouldn't own a gun. Therefore, less guns is better.

This could be a whole other can of worms about gun laws but correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he convincted of a felony? If so he shouldn't have a gun anyway. Regardless I believe if someone wants a gun, they'll get a gun even if there are 50 billion laws on the books regarding gun control. Zimmerman is a shady character and shady characters hang out with and know other shady characters. Shady characters always have a few guns for sale.

We don't punish those criminals who own/use/carry a gun illegally nearly harshly enough. If you have a misdemeanor..irregardless if it's expunged, adjudicated, etc....you should not have the right to own/use/carry a weapon for a minimum of 10 years after plea/time served, if at all. And if you are found to have one illegally during a stop/arrest/search and you have a felony on your record...exiled to Russia's worst prisons and lose your citizenship. I bet you the fear of going to Black Dolphin Prison would pucker up some criminal sphincters. Those Russians will show you how much of a pussy you really are.

quote: Originally posted by Stoutlover72 We don't punish those criminals who own/use/carry a gun illegally nearly harshly enough. If you have a misdemeanor..irregardless if it's expunged, adjudicated, etc....you should not have the right to own/use/carry a weapon for a minimum of 10 years after plea/time served, if at all. And if you are found to have one illegally during a stop/arrest/search and you have a felony on your record...exiled to Russia's worst prisons and lose your citizenship. I bet you the fear of going to Black Dolphin Prison would pucker up some criminal sphincters. Those Russians will show you how much of a pussy you really are.

I essentially agree with you. And even if you weren't making your case a little stronger than you intended, I think a right to carry in public ought to be held to the highest standards, even if right to own and posess on your own property is held to a different standard. No way in the world carrying a weapon should lead to an agressive or at the very least in this case, "offensive" nature, that ends in a shooting. And, while I agree with Clash's point, that laws won't stop gun crimes, such an act should still be illegal. And in this case, someone should serve time, even if the event and death would still have occurred. The law should be clear and define it as a crime. Right now it doesn't, regardless of the degree that race did or did not play. That's a problem.

quote: Originally posted by eaglefan538 quote: quote: Originally posted by Stoutlover72 We don't punish those criminals who own/use/carry a gun illegally nearly harshly enough. If you have a misdemeanor..irregardless if it's expunged, adjudicated, etc....you should not have the right to own/use/carry a weapon for a minimum of 10 years after plea/time served, if at all. And if you are found to have one illegally during a stop/arrest/search and you have a felony on your record...exiled to Russia's worst prisons and lose your citizenship. I bet you the fear of going to Black Dolphin Prison would pucker up some criminal sphincters. Those Russians will show you how much of a pussy you really are. I essentially agree with you. And even if you weren't making your case a little stronger than you intended, I think a right to carry in public ought to be held to the highest standards, even if right to own and posess on your own property is held to a different standard. No way in the world carrying a weapon should lead to an agressive or at the very least in this case, "offensive" nature, that ends in a shooting. And, while I agree with Clash's point, that laws won't stop gun crimes, such an act should still be illegal. And in this case, someone should serve time, even if the event and death would still have occurred. The law should be clear and define it as a crime. Right now it doesn't, regardless of the degree that race did or did not play. That's a problem.

I was a little overboard..lol. I'm a very, very pro-gun. It's a little off-topic I think, but I work in an environment that is associated with law enforcment and CCW's and I'm continually amazed at the imbecile's who are granted CCW permits by the local Sheriff Dept. Granted, being an imbecile and a felon are two separate catergories. But to allow someone to carry (not own, for home/self defense) a firearm should be granted to those with much more knowledge/training that an 8-hr gun safety course and 6-hrs of plinking metal targets at Joe's Gun Range, and in CA you don't even need that for a CCW (that is the requirement to carry a firearm for security/asset protection, bodyguards, etc). Scary.

Before convicting Mr. Zimmerman again, you might want to view this video: www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=608832945815209 Its from John Carter III, a right winger, but there is some information on here that might not have gotten published by the local media on the youngster, nor the pictures of Mr. Zimmerman after the altercation. It is not against the law to follow someone, it is against the law to punch and then pummel someone. If you were ever fearful for your life at the hands of someone else and had the means to defend yourself, wouldn't you? Remember, Mr. Martin could have just run home, he didn't have to turn around and confront Mr. Zimmerman. As to race, Mr. Zimmerman was raised in a bi-racial house with I believe two black siblings, so race is somewhat a moot issue, unless of course you're the media.

The case is so weird because people are taking sides. No one is like well there might be some fault on both sides. I'm going Zimmerman 80/Martin 20. Zimmerman was profiling, shouldn't have been allowed to be security considering his past, was told to not approach Martin, had a gun. Martin is not the fresh faced innocent kid in a hoodie he's made out to be. Shady character like Zimmerman but a kid nonetheless. He was approached and probably went ape shit when he could have ran. I still think Zimmerman should get jail time. He caused whatever happened regardless if you agree with Trevon's reaction.

When all is said and done.... Take race out, and Zimmerman is not a good dude. Multiple times pulled over for speeding, his wife is divorcing him, and now under detention regarding an investigation into a domestic dispute? Good golly. Why was this ex convict allowed to get a gun in the first place? Goes to show, race wasn't the big issue here. A bad dude with a gun was. Amend the constitution that non-idiot non-criminals have the right to bear arms. http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/us/george-zimmerman-detained/index.html (OK, he hasn't been proven guilty of anything quite yet, but....)