yes, if it indeed tastes/smells the same as when fresh. i'd cut other processed stuff if i were worried about the health aspect.

quote: quote: Originally posted by Stoutlover72 quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by slowrunner77 i'd rather everyone date their bottles so you know when you're getting old sh--! Obviously Chris, but that wasn't the question. I seriously think that (some) brewers would put preservatives in their beer before putting a date on it. Why? Longer shelf life of course. We both agree that getting a bottle of old beer at Booze Bros. or BevMo is a bitch. But getting to the question that some have avoided, would you drink a beer that preserves the intense beauty of hops in an IPA/IIPA? If you could have Pliny the Elder after 12 months of bottling, and have it taste like it was bottled 6 hrs ago...well?

EITHER! I wouldn't mind an expiration date, but I'm smart enough to figure it out for myself with a bottled on date...and it seems even some of them with an expiration date are a little "generous" with that, where as if i saw when it was bottled, I can decide for myself... Which is better for the brewer? Keeping us in the dark, selling more initially because it's on the shelf forever, and having many people not buy their product again because it sucked and the customer may assume that's what it's like all the time? or put a bottled on date, eat some of your stock (maybe) but have more repeat customers because you sell a better fresher product?

quote: Originally posted by bluesandbarbq quote: quote: Originally posted by slowrunner77 i'd rather everyone date their bottles so you know when you're getting old sh--! Agreed. A "Brewed On ______" date or an expiration date?

quote: Originally posted by slowrunner77 yes, if it indeed tastes/smells the same as when fresh. i'd cut other processed stuff if i were worried about the health aspect. quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by Stoutlover72 quote: quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by slowrunner77 i'd rather everyone date their bottles so you know when you're getting old sh--! Obviously Chris, but that wasn't the question. I seriously think that (some) brewers would put preservatives in their beer before putting a date on it. Why? Longer shelf life of course. We both agree that getting a bottle of old beer at Booze Bros. or BevMo is a bitch. But getting to the question that some have avoided, would you drink a beer that preserves the intense beauty of hops in an IPA/IIPA? If you could have Pliny the Elder after 12 months of bottling, and have it taste like it was bottled 6 hrs ago...well?

Agreed. And I'm not talking about having some mysterious, cancerous preservative like formaldehyde being put in beer but something approved in regular use from the FDA thats tasteless, colorless and ordorless (if something like that even exists). The more I think about it, the more I'm pretty sure that I would. We (or at least I) consume items with preservatives in it quite frequently. Unless you're a vegan or one has their sites set on not consuming preservatives, most do in some form or another (doesn't Coke/Pepsi have preservatives?).

A few more preservatives probably wouldn't kill me... I'm damn near embalmed already. [:D] One of the (many) things I like about Sam Adams is the "fresh date". I know that the Octoberfest I'm buying now should be fresh through January 2012 - if I can stay out of it that long.

quote: Originally posted by slowrunner77 EITHER! I wouldn't mind an expiration date, but I'm smart enough to figure it out for myself with a bottled on date...and it seems even some of them with an expiration date are a little "generous" with that, where as if i saw when it was bottled, I can decide for myself... Which is better for the brewer? Keeping us in the dark, selling more initially because it's on the shelf forever, and having many people not buy their product again because it sucked and the customer may assume that's what it's like all the time? or put a bottled on date, eat some of your stock (maybe) but have more repeat customers because you sell a better fresher product? quote: quote: Originally posted by bluesandbarbq quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by slowrunner77 i'd rather everyone date their bottles so you know when you're getting old sh--! Agreed. A "Brewed On ______" date or an expiration date?

I may be wrong here, but I assume the brewer sells xxx amount of beer to the distributor (unless they are small enough for self distribution) and from there it's the distributor's responsibility for getting it on the shelves and any necessary quality control to be worked out between the distributor and shop owners. I don't think brewers have any if much control over their products once they are sold to the distributor. I'm sure brewers may have some pull with the distributors in how their product is treated, but I'm sure this is reserved for the bigger boys. Kind of sad when you think about it, the artist having very little control over their art after it leaves the building. Because of this you'd think more if not all craft brewers would date their bottles in a clear way to further help their image and reputation.

For me, there just seems no logical reason to add preservatives to beer. Really, what it comes down to is if the brewery has having trouble moving their product then they need to sit down and ask themselves why that is. Not try to scheme how they can keep their lame-ass beer on the shelves longer so that they don't lose more money. Nobody wants to lose money in their business, der, I get that. Think of how much brew Sam Adams and SN are ripping out and sending all across the country. They seem to have no problem moving their brew off the shelf. Why? Because they make good beer and people, like me, like it. Good topic Stout. Brewers keep your preservatives outta my beer.

quote: Originally posted by Phishpond417 For me, there just seems no logical reason to add preservatives to beer. Really, what it comes down to is if the brewery has having trouble moving their product then they need to sit down and ask themselves why that is. Not try to scheme how they can keep their lame-ass beer on the shelves longer so that they don't lose more money. Nobody wants to lose money in their business, der, I get that. Think of how much brew Sam Adams and SN are ripping out and sending all across the country. They seem to have no problem moving their brew off the shelf. Why? Because they make good beer and people, like me, like it. Good topic Stout. Brewers keep your preservatives outta my beer.

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IF THEY DATE THEIR BOTTLES THEY CAN BE SURE THE CUSTOMER AT LEAST KNOWS WHEN THEY'RE GETTING OLD PRODUCT! I don't think that's too much to expect...

quote: Originally posted by kinger quote: quote: Originally posted by slowrunner77 EITHER! I wouldn't mind an expiration date, but I'm smart enough to figure it out for myself with a bottled on date...and it seems even some of them with an expiration date are a little "generous" with that, where as if i saw when it was bottled, I can decide for myself... Which is better for the brewer? Keeping us in the dark, selling more initially because it's on the shelf forever, and having many people not buy their product again because it sucked and the customer may assume that's what it's like all the time? or put a bottled on date, eat some of your stock (maybe) but have more repeat customers because you sell a better fresher product? quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by bluesandbarbq quote: quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by slowrunner77 i'd rather everyone date their bottles so you know when you're getting old sh--! Agreed. A "Brewed On ______" date or an expiration date? I may be wrong here, but I assume the brewer sells xxx amount of beer to the distributor (unless they are small enough for self distribution) and from there it's the distributor's responsibility for getting it on the shelves and any necessary quality control to be worked out between the distributor and shop owners. I don't think brewers have any if much control over their products once they are sold to the distributor. I'm sure brewers may have some pull with the distributors in how their product is treated, but I'm sure this is reserved for the bigger boys. Kind of sad when you think about it, the artist having very little control over their art after it leaves the building. Because of this you'd think more if not all craft brewers would date their bottles in a clear way to further help their image and reputation.

I dunno, sure I'd like dated bottles, but with all the preservatives in everything else we consume in our bodies.... What's the big idea if it is in beer and the flavor is not harmed and you also don't get a slamming headache from it? Other than that, I could care less what they put in my beer.... well, not anymore than what already is in the foods we eat.

Unpasteurized beer? Of course I drink it! the heat does bad things to the taste of bier. the ole WT would never pasteurize its products1 (would be an additional cost lol) and the vast majority of local brews were the same unpasteurized.