quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by eaglefan538 Sounds disgusting, but it sounds like a typical DFH gimmicky shot at yet another concoction. Too bad they didn't make up some historical myth for this one to genuinize the recipe and drive even more curiousity so folks can somehow mysteriously travel back in time to a really cool civilization via the beer (and some hallucinagens?). If these guys would just sit back and try to friggin brew beer. They frustrate the snot out of me and don't produce a single product of quality or beerness to make it in my fridge on ANY regular basis... and I try to have a DE beer around all the time. Sad. (I used to be more indifferent about DFH, but....)

I am not so bothered about their gimmicks as their prices. I don't think I have bought anything from them in at least 2 years. I have never had a beer from them that justifies the extra 30-50% price tag vs. many other brewers. Same with Three Floyds and even Anchor. Thankfully I can get plenty of good stuff that is relatively affordable! [:)]

quote: I am not so bothered about their gimmicks as their prices. I don't think I have bought anything from them in at least 2 years. I have never had a beer from them that justifies the extra 30-50% price tag vs. many other brewers. Same with Three Floyds and even Anchor. Thankfully I can get plenty of good stuff that is relatively affordable! [:)]

exactly this... i will add i like that they try new stuff, i hardly ever get to try them besides at tastings but at least they are trying new things.. had some Hellhound this weekend, pretty boring..

Palo Santo & Festina Peche are my favorites from DFH. Once in a while I'll pick up some Raison D'Etre and Indian Brown as I think both are consistently wonderful. Midas Touch gets an honorable mention for being good and differnt. But that's about it. DFH = kitchy offerings, that's not going to change. I do agree that out of their entire portfolio only a handful are worthwhile to me. This is the sad aspect for me since it's such a small percentage of beers that I find really good from them.

quote: Originally posted by kinger Palo Santo & Festina Peche are my favorites from DFH.

Wow! Talk about different ends of the spectrum. Of course, Palo Santo is easily my favorite...but i have Festina in the fridge right now. FYI - it's better old! I got a half price 4 pack last year out of season and all that happened was slightly less sweet and more tart. So now each year I'll get one 4-pack fresh and hope for an oldy late in the year.

quote: Originally posted by kinger Palo Santo

on another note, i see quite a few people like to age this... oh my god, this has to be done fresh.. tried an '09 and '10 on sunday... wow, so not worth the space in the cellar.. [xx(]

quote: Originally posted by eaglefan538 If these guys would just sit back and try to friggin brew beer. They frustrate the snot out of me and don't produce a single product of quality or beerness to make it in my fridge on ANY regular basis... and I try to have a DE beer around all the time. Sad. (I used to be more indifferent about DFH, but....)

I think that's a bit harsh. Their standard offerings are all decent. 60 min and 90 min are both good examples. Indian Brown is pretty darned good for a darker, sweeter beer. They are definitely beers of decent quality. Their thing is doing new and different. I don't despise Sam for liking to tinker and be creative. I do agree that their goofy beers are probably more misses than hits, but they're always distinctive and memorable. *shrug*

c'mon man - you got to be accustomed to the DFH hate by now. It pops up regularly, though by some miracle they're still a 96th percentile brewer by the numbers, even with the haterism. [;)]

quote: Originally posted by doulos31 quote: quote: Originally posted by eaglefan538 If these guys would just sit back and try to friggin brew beer. They frustrate the snot out of me and don't produce a single product of quality or beerness to make it in my fridge on ANY regular basis... and I try to have a DE beer around all the time. Sad. (I used to be more indifferent about DFH, but....) I think that's a bit harsh. Their standard offerings are all decent. 60 min and 90 min are both good examples. Indian Brown is pretty darned good for a darker, sweeter beer. They are definitely beers of decent quality. Their thing is doing new and different. I don't despise Sam for liking to tinker and be creative. I do agree that their goofy beers are probably more misses than hits, but they're always distinctive and memorable. *shrug*

Is using popcorn in the mash a way to get more starch in there? If so...why not just use corn starch/slurry?

quote: Originally posted by doulos31 I think that's a bit harsh.

Maybe a little harsh, but the basic sentiment is accurate and to the point.

quote: Their standard offerings are all decent. 60 min and 90 min are both good examples. Indian Brown is pretty darned good for a darker, sweeter beer. They are definitely beers of decent quality.

Both the 60, the 90 (as well as the Shelter for that matter) are close to undrinkable by me. I will say this, for a local brewer that I would love to support, I NEVER buy them. EVER. The Indian brown *is* decent, but it's not a go to beer, just not that drinkable overall.

quote: Their thing is doing new and different. I don't despise Sam for liking to tinker and be creative. I do agree that their goofy beers are probably more misses than hits, but they're always distinctive and memorable. *shrug*

Aside from some of the brewpub only stuff that I've had (especially the hoppy / less sweet styles), a lot more misses for me. Which, by themselves aren't that bad, but along with the gimmick and a WEAK "standard" lineup is highly disappointing. If they had a core that they were really good at, then the one offs would be more acceptable, hit or miss. I honestly don't know HOW they sell so much 60minute as their flagship beer. I really don't. It's pretty poor, and if you drink it right after a real IPA, you'll find it pretty nasty tasting.

I love this! Pals actually tasting the barf being offered at way high prices! Not just Dog Piss but from other Micro Screwies! Psst...Marijuana is more fun then drinking bier! Pass it on....