The US has no foreign or domestic policy. The country is a sail-less, rudder-less ship. I don't think Obama has ever liked BEING the president, he just liked the idea of being president. But 6 years into his administration, it's still Bush's fault. On the other side, the republicans have very few real leaders. Boehner is a poor excuse for leadership.

quote: Originally posted by fargingbastige6 The US has no foreign or domestic policy. The country is a sail-less, rudder-less ship. I don't think Obama has ever liked BEING the president, he just liked the idea of being president. But 6 years into his administration, it's still Bush's fault. On the other side, the republicans have very few real leaders. Boehner is a poor excuse for leadership.

Y my post wasn't an endorsement of either side. The reason Obama got a second term is the lack of R leadership you mentioned. Tea Party whack jobs have demonstrated a lack of strategy and unity in any ideal that could exist that isn't Democratic Party aligned.

The Russia-Syria-Iran-China alliance is deeply troubling, especially when added to the ongoing unrest in Israel and surrounds. Iraq is crumbling from within, not just because the Coalition departed, but our departure (abdication?) certainly emboldened and enabled the Anti-West agenda, to wit:

• Russia is cackling with glee. It has (a) Europe in a headlock over energy, (b) the bulk of Asia as military customers, and (c) a feckless America at arm's length;
• ISIS is literally erasing the borders between Syria and Iraq, as in, cutting the berms with dozers.
• Though the Sunni-Shia divide is sharp, ISIS wants to re-establish the Islamic dominance in the Middle Eastern region first, then settle the leadership issue under the restored Caliphate
• The Russian-backed Syrian president has just been re-elected, despite (or because of?) dropping barrel bombs on dissenters
• Iran is happy to push Shi'a Islam westward, through Baghdad toward Israel, within striking distance of Jerusalem with Russian-made weapons;
• The Kurds are happy, since they have set their sites on swiping Diyarbakir from Turkey and creating the country of Kurdistan. And really, who will stop them? Iraq? Turkey alone? Turkey with NATO? Russia and China patiently await NATO's demise. They will watch and secretly help.
• By negotiating with Hammas, even "unofficially", the Obama administration is giving them all the legitimacy they need;
• China would rather ally with Asia than with America, it's as simple as that

The problem is not Obama, the Man. The problem is America, the Sheeple. We elected an idealistic orator over a crotchety curmudgeon in 2008, and over a smarmy oligarch in 2012. We get what we deserve. Too few people in this country worry about whether their children will have grandchildren before Armageddon. Really, is pushing off Armageddon for a couple more generations too much to ask? Can we put down our wide-screen TV remotes and think past Tuesday? "Bring home the troops!" Polls are running this country, not leaders. Where are the leaders like the aforementioned Churchill and Roosevelt who articulated a compelling, unifying vision, and THEN listened to advisors and even the public opinion polls? In this country, the selfish tail is wagging the stupid dog. And Putin is playing fetch with bigger and bigger sticks (Crimea, Ukraine...). http://philosfx.blogspot.com/2014/06/absolutely-nothing-veterans-savage.html

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quote: Originally posted by FoamDome The Russia-Syria-Iran-China alliance is deeply troubling, especially when added to the ongoing unrest in Israel and surrounds. Iraq is crumbling from within, not just because the Coalition departed, but our departure (abdication?) certainly emboldened and enabled the Anti-West agenda, to wit: Russia is cackling with glee. It has (a) Europe in a headlock over energy, (b) the bulk of Asia as military customers, and (c) a feckless America at arm's length; ISIS is literally erasing the borders between Syria and Iraq, as in, cutting the berms with dozers. Though the Sunni-Shia divide is sharp, ISIS wants to re-establish the Islamic dominance in the Middle Eastern region first, then settle the leadership issue under the restored Caliphate The Russian-backed Syrian president has just been re-elected, despite (or because of?) dropping barrel bombs on dissenters Iran is happy to push Shi'a Islam westward, through Baghdad toward Israel, within striking distance of Jerusalem with Russian-made weapons; The Kurds are happy, since they have set their sites on swiping Diyarbakir from Turkey and creating the country of Kurdistan. And really, who will stop them? Iraq? Turkey alone? Turkey with NATO? Russia and China patiently await NATO's demise. They will watch and secretly help. By negotiating with Hammas, even "unofficially", the Obama administration is giving them all the legitimacy they need; China would rather ally with Asia than with America, it's as simple as that The problem is not Obama, the Man. The problem is America, the Sheeple. We elected an idealistic orator over a crotchety curmudgeon in 2008, and over a smarmy oligarch in 2012. We get what we deserve. Too few people in this country worry about whether their children will have grandchildren before Armageddon. Really, is pushing off Armageddon for a couple more generations too much to ask? Can we put down our wide-screen TV remotes and think past Tuesday? "Bring home the troops!" Polls are running this country, not leaders. Where are the leaders like the aforementioned Churchill and Roosevelt who articulated a compelling, unifying vision, and THEN listened to advisors and even the public opinion polls? In this country, the selfish tail is wagging the stupid dog. And Putin is playing fetch with bigger and bigger sticks (Crimea, Ukraine...). http://philosfx.blogspot.com/2014/06/absolutely-nothing-veterans-savage.html

Submitted for your consideration. http://www.infowars.com/cop-if-obama-doesnt-follow-the-constitution-we-dont-have-to/

Rome burns while Nero fiddles...and plays 8 rounds of golf....and Bassaball..(GASP RACIST RACIST)....Ya get what ya vote for....The people have spoken, not once, but twice...(suckers)....and quite frankly, I really don't give a damn anymore.....Nice going....way to pick'em..... [:p][:0][:p][:0][:p][:0][:p][:0][:p][:0][:p][:0][:p]..... P.S. this thread is nothing more than an effort by it's creator to provoke and stir the pot...and set up a trap for online sparing....wasn't going to fall for it, but in light of recent events in the middle east with this ISIS organization, I felt compelled to finally chime in...maybe visit from an organization like ISIS is needed in this country to wake some of you people up from your (politically correct & drunken/stoned) slumber...but, hell, we're more concerned with whether or not the name of a football team offends a small minority of loud mouthed pie hole spewing people who make up non-issues, or with being guilty for frauds like man-made climate change, when the planet's climates have changed on their own since it's creation, right???...those things are more important, right???....Pish Tosh, who needs leadership....right???,,,,, [:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0] Like I said, the people have spoken twice..this is what they want...8 years of bullshit because of someone's physical appearance.....and I don't give a SHIT anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!.....[:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]

quote: Originally posted by Oiznop Rome burns while Nero fiddles...and plays 8 rounds of golf....and Bassaball..(GASP RACIST RACIST)....Ya get what ya vote for....The people have spoken, not once, but twice...(suckers)....and quite frankly, I really don't give a damn anymore.....Nice going....way to pick'em..... [:p][:0][:p][:0][:p][:0][:p][:0][:p][:0][:p][:0][:p]..... P.S. this thread is nothing more than an effort by it's creator to provoke and stir the pot...and set up a trap for online sparing....wasn't going to fall for it, but in light of recent events in the middle east with this ISIS organization, I felt compelled to finally chime in...maybe visit from an organization like ISIS is needed in this country to wake some of you people up from your (politically correct & drunken/stoned) slumber...but, hell, we're more concerned with whether or not the name of a football team offends a small minority of loud mouthed pie hole spewing people who make up non-issues, or with being guilty for frauds like man-made climate change, when the planet's climates have changed on their own since it's creation, right???...those things are more important, right???....Pish Tosh, who needs leadership....right???,,,,, [:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0] Like I said, the people have spoken twice..this is what they want...8 years of bullshit because of someone's physical appearance.....and I don't give a SHIT anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!.....[:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][B)][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]

A bait accusation would presume that: a) I care one iota about your participation in intelligent conversations; and, b) That I don't find dialogue with others here on topics like this interesting and sometimes mind stretching. Just to help you out, criteria not met. And since you couldn't tell, the thread wasn't positive regarding Obama or any of our world leadership right now, and there was no sparring, but instead general agreement and mostly shared opinions without exaggerated emoticons and all caps and name calling etc..... Throwing bait to catch the goldfish in your fishtank is what such an activity of trying to bait you would be paralleled to. Not interested. Your response is more like the seagull seeing a group having a picnic and coming down and dropping all your turd everywhere. I guess having picnics is bait for seagulls in that sense.

And since you couldn't tell, the thread wasn't positive regarding Obama or any of our world leadership right now, and there was no sparring, but instead general agreement and mostly shared opinions without exaggerated emoticons and all caps and name calling etc..... REPLY: Wasn't positive regarding Obama???...GASP!!!! Heavens to Betsey, say it isn't so!!!...not positive toward the most intelligent human being to ever walk the earth???....Not positive toward the greatest President ever in the history of this country???....Why, what kind of bigots are we???..... Too late for "not being positive" about the Vacationer-in-Chief buddy boy...we had our chance to put a stop to this bull shit, and blew it....because of PC....because weez wants our freebies & government cheese from his stash, right??.....Whether or not the choices at the time were better is another debate for another day....but my point is, criticizing now is moot...tough ta tas.....When this EMPTY SUIT was elected, it was all hoopla and bull shit....spawned by an orgasmic biased media.....and all of the hatred and polarization brought on by previous administrations was all going to go away....it was all going to be better because "the one" was here!.....when the TRUTH is, it has become WORSE than it ever was......(suckers)......like in Missouri....gee, I thought we were beyond this sort of thing, right???...Because the "messiah" was here....instead we have the constitution being pissed on...we have the will of the people not being adhered to...we have a so-called president who arrogantly struts around and makes decisions like he's some kind of despot, and we have more divisiveness than ever before, with the country coming apart at the seems and enemies of this country laughing at us...Again, this is what the people wanted....not once, but twice....so be it....Too late now for "not positive toward Obama"....I was "not positive toward Obama" back in November of 2008 when the son of a bitch was crowned..in the initial election thread, titled "congratulations"...remember???...and I got accuse of being a bigot...I got accused of being racist...by people who used to be on here, but don't come around anymore (but I know are still out there, oh yes you are...) I believe someone even threatened to "call my ass out"...go ahead, call my ass out now, now that we know the truth about your messiah...now that we see what this country is becoming not only domestically, but in the view of the world....again, too late now....we had our chances....we reap what we sew in this life, and this is where we are at now....and I stand by my words....a big part of me feels this country needs to be "visited" by some unsavory type enemies to wake some of you people up...but maybe even that may not be enough..........You want to be "not positive toward Obama" with your stir the pot thread, go right ahead, paly....my personal opinion is you are wasting your time.... Bye Now!

quote: Originally posted by Oiznop And since you couldn't tell, the thread wasn't positive regarding Obama or any of our world leadership right now, and there was no sparring, but instead general agreement and mostly shared opinions without exaggerated emoticons and all caps and name calling etc..... REPLY: Wasn't positive regarding Obama???...GASP!!!! Heavens to Betsey, say it isn't so!!!...not positive toward the most intelligent human being to ever walk the earth???....Not positive toward the greatest President ever in the history of this country???....Why, what kind of bigots are we???..... Too late for "not being positive" about the Vacationer-in-Chief buddy boy...we had our chance to put a stop to this bull shit, and blew it....because of PC....because weez wants our freebies & government cheese from his stash, right??.....Whether or not the choices at the time were better is another debate for another day....but my point is, criticizing now is moot...tough ta tas.....When this EMPTY SUIT was elected, it was all hoopla and bull shit....spawned by an orgasmic biased media.....and all of the hatred and polarization brought on by previous administrations was all going to go away....it was all going to be better because "the one" was here!.....when the TRUTH is, it has become WORSE than it ever was......(suckers)......like in Missouri....gee, I thought we were beyond this sort of thing, right???...Because the "messiah" was here....instead we have the constitution being pissed on...we have the will of the people not being adhered to...we have a so-called president who arrogantly struts around and makes decisions like he's some kind of despot, and we have more divisiveness than ever before, with the country coming apart at the seems and enemies of this country laughing at us...Again, this is what the people wanted....not once, but twice....so be it....Too late now for "not positive toward Obama"....I was "not positive toward Obama" back in November of 2008 when the son of a bitch was crowned..in the initial election thread, titled "congratulations"...remember???...and I got accuse of being a bigot...I got accused of being racist...by people who used to be on here, but don't come around anymore (but I know are still out there, oh yes you are...) I believe someone even threatened to "call my ass out"...go ahead, call my ass out now, now that we know the truth about your messiah...now that we see what this country is becoming not only domestically, but in the view of the world....again, too late now....we had our chances....we reap what we sew in this life, and this is where we are at now....and I stand by my words....a big part of me feels this country needs to be "visited" by some unsavory type enemies to wake some of you people up...but maybe even that may not be enough..........You want to be "not positive toward Obama" with your stir the pot thread, go right ahead, paly....my personal opinion is you are wasting your time.... Bye Now!

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