quote: Originally posted by Stoutlover72 [quote]quote: Originally posted by mitchforgie I don't think there should need to be a law, it should be a soceital norm that if your kids can't behave don't take them to a place they don't belong.

Common sense died out with 95% of people born after 1980. It's missing from their DNA. [quote] Hm. Guess that includes me? Or maybe I'm in the 5% somewhere.

quote: quote: Originally posted by Phishpond417 quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by Stoutlover72 [quote]quote: Originally posted by mitchforgie I don't think there should need to be a law, it should be a soceital norm that if your kids can't behave don't take them to a place they don't belong. Common sense died out with 95% of people born after 1980. It's missing from their DNA. [quote] Hm. Guess that includes me? Or maybe I'm in the 5% somewhere.

Relax Phish...That's what every generation says about the gersh-dern whippersnappers coming up behind them. And the worst part is that a:they always think that they are the first people to say this and b: that it is really true. ....all it really means is that Stout is officially old.[;)]

We take our boys to a handful of specific restaurants, most of which have good beer selections. These places are also generally upbeat, somewhat noisy and often have shiny things. My boys are typically well behaved, but they are still young kids.....it's all about the parents understanding the right places to take their young family so everybody can relax and enjoy a good meal during happy hour. In regards to this being mandated by law, WTF! a terrible idea and yet another waste of stupid legislation.

its up to the parents to teach a kid to act right in public.. too bad its rare these days.. for me, it should be that beer specific places do not allow kids at all.. beer is for adults.. . . [img]http://img.izismile.com/img/img2/20090901/kids_in_cage_00.jpg[/img]

I took both of my children to all different types of restaurants from the time the youngest was around 3 or 4 and never had a bit of trouble from them. They knew how to behave properly, if they even started to whine about something, they got "the look", if that didn't immediately work, they were removed for an attitude adjustment. I can't ever remember having to do it, but they say that I did. They weren't given the count of 3 to behave, they were given the briefest of opportunities to duck. My wife and I recieved numerous compliments on our childrens' behavior at finer establishments (not only restaurants, but theaters). If you don't expect your children to behave properly, they won't. If you demand it, they will. Unfortunately, few parents anymore adhere to the behave or be in pain plan. None of my kids turned out to be axe murderers either.

And, I do believe that parents should remove a child from any public venue (other than chucky cheeses) as soon as the kid looks like its about to misbehave, but that should be a courtesy, not a law. but as a restaurant proprietor, you have the right and responsibility to remove things or people that are offending the other paying customers.

quote: Originally posted by Pyuke And, I do believe that parents should remove a child from any public venue (other than chucky cheeses) as soon as the kid looks like its about to misbehave, but that should be a courtesy, not a law. but as a restaurant proprietor, you have the right and responsibility to remove things or people that are offending the other paying customers.

Exactly, its a courtesy not a law! Hans Moderman the famous Dutch Traffic Engineer is speaking to a group of elected officials in Holland. They say, "HANS! These people in this city! They speed their cars all over the place! We put up signs but still they go too fast. We put in speed bumps, but they just accelerate between them, we narrow the roads to slow them down, but it works only for days, then they get used to it, and go fast again... what do we do?!" Hans looks at them, he's a bit chubby, and seems to chuckle with the situation. He say's " You put people out on a ice rink, on the rink there are experienced skaters going very fast, weaving in and out; there are steady senior citizens quietly lapping the outside of the oval, there are young show offs skating backwards and young girls attempting twirls. THEY DO NOT need signs to arrange themselves without bumping into eachother. They DO NOT need barricades to keep everyone divided when travelling in different directions or at different speeds." He pauses for effect. "You treat people like idiots and they will act like idiots. We are not monkeys!" Hans then proceeded to remove every single traffic signal from this Dutch city of 150,000. He took out every sign, every "right turn" or speed limit. Fatalities and accidents of all kinds dropped off overnight and continue to be the lowest per capita of any city in the developed world a decade later. The point is, in a tort happy place like the US or Canada, our public policy moves in the opposite direction of Hans. We continue to reduce the need to think or be responsible for ones actions, for this reason its almost not surprising that a state would pass a law such as this. Sorry for the strange insight. Hope its at least interesting!

This needs to happen in more adult-oriented restaurants.

I was trying to have a quick sandwich and a beer in a 'sports bar; in a very upscale hotel last week. I was tired and a little cranky, 11 hour day, and there were two groups of kids and adults seated near me. A grandmother with two 5-6 year old girls, and a mom and dad with two 7-9 year old kids. Guess which one was noisy and loud, and which group sat relatively quietly at their table? Yup grandma....

quote: Originally posted by jlozier quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by Phishpond417 quote: quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by Stoutlover72 [quote]quote: Originally posted by mitchforgie I don't think there should need to be a law, it should be a soceital norm that if your kids can't behave don't take them to a place they don't belong. Common sense died out with 95% of people born after 1980. It's missing from their DNA. [quote] Hm. Guess that includes me? Or maybe I'm in the 5% somewhere. Relax Phish...That's what every generation says about the gersh-dern whippersnappers coming up behind them. And the worst part is that a:they always think that they are the first people to say this and b: that it is really true. ....all it really means is that Stout is officially old.[;)]

Get off ma damn lawn!! And turn down that damned noise! [;)] Unfortunately, it's all too accurate from my perspective. I get the under 30 year olds who come to me looking for work, and my line of work requires a good dose of common sense in order to be successful. It might a little more than 5% who have some, but man...guess with age comes wisdom. Lots and lots of age.