Back round 00, 01, Old Saguaro was a FIRST RATE barley wine outta AZ. Lager for 6 months it was-Smooooooooth and STRONG. I Kalifornia we used to get this at most evil trader joe's....I understand the operation is still around, sorta, but the old Massa left the operation some time back.

Yeah, I had Arizona checked off for quite a while until the Chili Beer got taken away from that state. Anybody know when it went from Arizona to Mexico? Could have swore it was still an Arizona product when I had it.

quote: Originally posted by kinger Yeah, I had Arizona checked off for quite a while until the Chili Beer got taken away from that state. Anybody know when it went from Arizona to Mexico? Could have swore it was still an Arizona product when I had it.

Ditto

quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by kinger Yeah, I had Arizona checked off for quite a while until the Chili Beer got taken away from that state. Anybody know when it went from Arizona to Mexico? Could have swore it was still an Arizona product when I had it.

June 2007 according to http://www.beerinfo.com/index.php/pages/prchilibeer.html Why can't this beer be treated the same way as Samichlaus? (Brewed in Switzerland for years by one brewery and now brewed in Austria by a different brewery) Swiss Samichlaus http://www.beerpal.com/Hurlimann-Samichlaus-Beer/4692/ Austrian Samichlaus http://www.beerpal.com/Castle-Eggenberg-Samichlaus-Bier-Beer/9914/

quote: Originally posted by cyrenaica quote: quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by kinger Yeah, I had Arizona checked off for quite a while until the Chili Beer got taken away from that state. Anybody know when it went from Arizona to Mexico? Could have swore it was still an Arizona product when I had it. June 2007 according to http://www.beerinfo.com/index.php/pages/prchilibeer.html Why can't this beer be treated the same way as Samichlaus? (Brewed in Switzerland for years by one brewery and now brewed in Austria by a different brewery) Swiss Samichlaus http://www.beerpal.com/Hurlimann-Samichlaus-Beer/4692/ Austrian Samichlaus http://www.beerpal.com/Castle-Eggenberg-Samichlaus-Bier-Beer/9914/

Agreed, I believe my rating is from 2006 WHEN it was an Arizona brewed beer, GIVE ME BACK MY STATE!

The site policy is clear, but finding the answer is not aways easy. The policy is to enter all beers under the owner of the beer, partly because lots of beers are brewed by multiple breweries. Notice in that beerinfo link that even before 2007 the beer was brewed at regional breweries. In this case, I don't know if the original crazy Ed guy still owns the brand or if it he sold it to the Mexican brewery. If he does own it, then we need to figure out his business location and use that. The beer description is used to explain that the beer is brewed by someone else if that's the case. The database for the new site allows for separate owner/brewer assignments to lessen the confusion in the future. I'm sure ther are hundreds, if not thousands of beers that don't agree with his policy, but we try to fix them when we find them. The BP admins never had written guidelines until last year (still a draft, already outdated) so things got sloppy.

quote: Originally posted by cyrenaica Why can't this beer be treated the same way as Samichlaus? (Brewed in Switzerland for years by one brewery and now brewed in Austria by a different brewery) Swiss Samichlaus http://www.beerpal.com/Hurlimann-Samichlaus-Beer/4692/ Austrian Samichlaus http://www.beerpal.com/Castle-Eggenberg-Samichlaus-Bier-Beer/9914/

Weird. I never noticed the separate entries on this beer before. I'm pretty sure I added the original because it was done in July 2001. My friend and I reviewed it that year and wrote right in the review that it was a 2000 vintage. Apparently the second listing was added later and some of he reviews don't match up. This one is tricky. A single beer name with a single recipe shouldn't have two entries, even if it changed ownership. I don't know if anyone could prove the two versions are brewed close enough though. considering it wasnt brewed for several years, there are lots of exact vintages (old and new), and the brewer is very different, it's probably fair to have two entries in this case. The chili beer is different. The move was a business decision very common in the industry and they weren't trying to change the recipe. The beer was already brewed regionally and the peppers already came from Mexico. This doesn't warrant a separate entry for before and after 2007.

quote: Originally posted by Flashpro The site policy is clear, but finding the answer is not aways easy. The policy is to enter all beers under the owner of the beer, partly because lots of beers are brewed by multiple breweries. Notice in that beerinfo link that even before 2007 the beer was brewed at regional breweries. In this case, I don't know if the original crazy Ed guy still owns the brand or if it he sold it to the Mexican brewery. If he does own it, then we need to figure out his business location and use that. The beer description is used to explain that the beer is brewed by someone else if that's the case. The database for the new site allows for separate owner/brewer assignments to lessen the confusion in the future. I'm sure ther are hundreds, if not thousands of beers that don't agree with his policy, but we try to fix them when we find them. The BP admins never had written guidelines until last year (still a draft, already outdated) so things got sloppy.

Then we have an issue......the bottle (I have one from March 2011) still says Chili Beer Company (in addition to the Mexican info), suggesting that the Chili Beer Company still owns it, and they are still an Arizona based company. Additionally though, Budweiser is now a Belgian beer. As part of InBev's purchase of Anheuser-Busch (and having been part of the legal team that worked on the deal I have all the documentation) all the intellectual property/brands are now Belgian, and no longer American (as evidenced by trading on the NYSE as an ADR). I don't see any of these beers being made Belgian on this site.

quote: quote: Originally posted by treborius Additionally though, Budweiser is now a Belgian beer. As part of InBev's purchase of Anheuser-Busch (and having been part of the legal team that worked on the deal I have all the documentation) all the intellectual property/brands are now Belgian, and no longer American (as evidenced by trading on the NYSE as an ADR). I don't see any of these beers being made Belgian on this site.

I figured this was going to come up, but didn't get into because I'm typing all of this on my phone [xx(] When we say owner, that can be a subsidiary, company or other business entity that was bought out by a larger company. We spend countless hours trying to sort out these messes. Our Bud products do show up under AB Companies which we show as being owned by AB-Inbev in Belgium. You have to go to the AB page to see that. There are dozens of breweries on the site that will say owned by AB-Inbev, as well as other companies that do the same thing. In many cases, the parent companies keep the bought out brewing companies brands, brewing facilities and websites. The customer doesn't need to know who the parent company is. If we merged every beer/brewery into the actual parent company that holds all the money then it would look pretty stupid. Parent company locations are usually bit offices that have nothing to do with brewing. Same with Diageo and SABMiller. We got SABMille cleaned up and their listing doesn't hav a single beer listed in it. We show MGD under MilleCoors LLC because they are the legal business entity that makes and sells the beer in the US and makes more practical use of our stats. For smaller, usually sing brands, like Cave Creek, there is one company that owns and manages the brand and they contract a brewery to make it for them. That's different from a conglomerate owning another company that makes the beer.

quote: Originally posted by Flashpro quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by treborius Additionally though, Budweiser is now a Belgian beer. As part of InBev's purchase of Anheuser-Busch (and having been part of the legal team that worked on the deal I have all the documentation) all the intellectual property/brands are now Belgian, and no longer American (as evidenced by trading on the NYSE as an ADR). I don't see any of these beers being made Belgian on this site. I figured this was going to come up, but didn't get into because I'm typing all of this on my phone [xx(] When we say owner, that can be a subsidiary, company or other business entity that was bought out by a larger company. We spend countless hours trying to sort out these messes. Our Bud products do show up under AB Companies which we show as being owned by AB-Inbev in Belgium. You have to go to the AB page to see that. There are dozens of breweries on the site that will say owned by AB-Inbev, as well as other companies that do the same thing. In many cases, the parent companies keep the bought out brewing companies brands, brewing facilities and websites. The customer doesn't need to know who the parent company is. If we merged every beer/brewery into the actual parent company that holds all the money then it would look pretty stupid. Parent company locations are usually bit offices that have nothing to do with brewing. Same with Diageo and SABMiller. We got SABMille cleaned up and their listing doesn't hav a single beer listed in it. We show MGD under MilleCoors LLC because they are the legal business entity that makes and sells the beer in the US and makes more practical use of our stats. For smaller, usually sing brands, like Cave Creek, there is one company that owns and manages the brand and they contract a brewery to make it for them. That's different from a conglomerate owning another company that makes the beer.

1 - I've worked for MillerCoors since August 2009 2 - MillerCoors owns NO breweries (they are jointly owned with the parent companies) 3 - MillerCoors brews NO beer (they are jointly brewed with the parent companies) MillerCoors is a joint entity between SABMiller and MolsonCoors to DISTRIBUTE SABMiller and MolsonCoors licensed products in the continental US - does not include Hawaii or Alaska. All beers are owned/brewed by SABMiller or MolsonCoors through their breweries in North America (Miller, Coors), or the home brewery (Pilsner Urquell, Cerveza Aguila), or licensed to be brewed in North America (Fosters). In some cases, they distribute beers for others (Leinenkugel) All income generated by MiillerCoors flows through to SABMiller and MolsonCoors as dictated in the financial statements of the two parent companies. It does not stay with MillerCoors.