quote: Originally posted by Timmyk77 Evolution isn't scientific fact, it's still a theory. The difference is, it follows the scientific method. Personally I don't have a problem with the ID theory,however, I feel it is not something that should be taught in Science class as we can't prove the existence of God. That's why religion is called faith. We believe in God without seeing any tangible proof. Science on the other hand requires tangible proof. That's why evolution is still a theory, all the proof isn't there to prove it. My parents sent me to Sunday school to learn the religious aspect of our origins. I don't see why parents are unable to do that today. I agree that they go hand in hand, however, they need to be taught seperately because science isn't religion and vice versa. Hope I explained myself well. I don't want to seem like I'm attacking religion.

I hear ya, Timmy, and acknowledge a difference in approach, but the "difference" is exactly the problem in my book. See.... 1) Good theology is "scientific." In fact, one could argue that it is "more" scientific, as "science" disregards a chunk of data, the Bible, which is God's Revealed Word (I know not all people accept that, and I'm not trying to convince anyone on a beer website that it is, but follow along on the point anyway). 2) Additionally, since science is based on assumptions, both are matters of "faith." 3) And, well, both are verifiable only to a degree. I can't enable you to see, feel, or touch "my" God and I can't see, feel, or touch secularism's "Man-Monkey" or produce in a lab, the mutation of one species into the other. Creationism can point to many of God's "footprints" and evidences and infer His existence from that (at least give rational reasons for "beleiving"). Evolutionists can point to fossils of SEPARATE species and infer a mutation of new species (which is a LARGE leap if you ask me). So, to me, much of the science-faith distinctions are superficial, at the very least over-stated. I would not necessarily want biblical creationism dogmatically taught (as if you had to believe it and only it) in public schools, for the very reason that I support "freedom of religion" and recognize that not all people ascribe to Christian teaching. In fact, Christianity teaches in itself that God must work through the Holy Spirit in an individual's heart in order that they might believe and be saved, implying that not all do / are. I guess what I get irritated at is the immediate dismissal of Creationism (generic Creationism, I'm not suggesting that even Christian specific Creationism should be "taught") WITHIN the school system (why not teach it as a "hypothesis" alongside evolution, which to me is only a "hypothesis"). Hiding from creationism is to me as "fearful" as those from the religious right who want to impose all of their beliefs on everyone.

i started this thread for good fun conversation and the hope that we could poke a little good natured fun at kansas and discuss the other silly jobs, like semen washer. can we please get back to the ribaldity and leave the theology alone? thank you.

quote: Originally posted by myke i started this thread for good fun conversation and the hope that we could poke a little good natured fun at kansas and discuss the other silly jobs, like semen washer. can we please get back to the ribaldity and leave the theology alone? thank you.

Sorry if my response wasn't good or fun conversation or if it detracted from your "intent" of starting the thread. I just disagreed with the fact that classical evolution (a process of randonmness) and intelligent design could co-exist, conceptually. That was an idea you proposed in one of the start up posts. I didn't intend to forward a specific theological or religious position, but to simply look at a point you introduced yourself. Have at the ribaldry if you are so inclined and amused. It's a bit disappointing to me that that was your only intent and that the ID-evolution issue is thrown in amidst such crewdness (I certainly wasn't the only one that picked up on that "theme" of your post), but... to each his own. I'll bow out at this point...

quote: Originally posted by eaglefan538 <blockquote id="quote"><table width=90% cellpadding=10><tr><td bgcolor=FFFFCC><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote: Originally posted by myke i started this thread for good fun conversation and the hope that we could poke a little good natured fun at kansas and discuss the other silly jobs, like semen washer. can we please get back to the ribaldity and leave the theology alone? thank you. </font id="quote"></td></tr></table></blockquote id="quote"> Sorry if my response wasn't good or fun conversation or if it detracted from your "intent" of starting the thread. I just disagreed with the fact that classical evolution (a process of randonmness) and intelligent design could co-exist, conceptually. That was an idea you proposed in one of the start up posts. I didn't intend to forward a specific theological or religious position, but to simply look at a point you introduced yourself. Have at the ribaldry if you are so inclined and amused. It's a bit disappointing to me that that was your only intent and that the ID-evolution issue is thrown in amidst such crewdness (I certainly wasn't the only one that picked up on that "theme" of your post), but... to each his own. I'll bow out at this point...

no that's true your right, i just didn't expect it to go on and on.

It's okay Eagle I didn't mean to hurt your feelings I just think that we've had too much heavy discussion on here latley, something which I'm certainly guilty of as well. I was just hoping to turn it back into something fun. If you had read the link, there are other jobs too which aren't so crude, such as nuclear arms tester or space dancer that could ilicit humourous conversation. That's all my friend. You don't have to bow out.[:D]

quote: Originally posted by myke It's okay Eagle I didn't mean to hurt your feelings I just think that we've had too much heavy discussion on here latley, something which I'm certainly guilty of as well. I was just hoping to turn it back into something fun. If you had read the link, there are other jobs too which aren't so crude, such as nuclear arms tester or space dancer that could ilicit humourous conversation. That's all my friend. You don't have to bow out.[:D]

I'm a serious guy. If ya want some lighter stuff from me, you're gonna have to tell a knock knock joke or something. LOL. Otherwise, I'll bite on the politics or religion stuff every time ;).

quote: Originally posted by myke ... there are other jobs too which aren't so crude, such as nuclear arms tester or space dancer that could ilicit humourous conversation....

"May I help you, ma'am?" "Yes, I am here to complain about your Want Ad. I just heard your ad on the radio for a position testing new clear tampons. I'm just shocked that you would exploit women in this manner. Why, you ought to be ashamed! It's disgusting!" "Oh, I see. Well, I am sorry, ma'am, but ..." "You don't understand, I demand to speak to the manager immediately! The very nerve!" "Hmmm. You DO realize that the position involves testing nuclear weapons, right? I mean, we actually test real nuclear weapons to make sure they detonate properly. We have a hard time keeping the position filled. Employees just don't stay in place long. We have a serious problem with turnover. I just don't think that you--" "I never thought I'd see the day when people could get a job testing new clear tampons. How do you 'test' a clear tampon? Why on earth would you make clear tampons in the first place? Just because it's new doesn't mean it's better--what a horrible marketing concept. You're exploiting women! It makes me so angry. Where's the manager! I demand -- Did you say 'detonate'? Disgusting!" "Ma'am! Ma'am! Put your umbrella down or I'll have to call the Police! Quiet, PLEASE! You could disturb one of our employees who's TESTING NUCLEAR WEAPONS!" "Wait, uh, um, did you say, 'testing nuclear weapons'?" "Yes, ma'am. This is the Precision Optics Observed Nuclear Testing Agency of Northrup Grumman. We test nuclear weapons here." "Oh. Nevermind!" Hommage to Gilda Radner

quote: Originally posted by FoamDome <blockquote id="quote"><table width=90% cellpadding=10><tr><td bgcolor=FFFFCC><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote: Originally posted by myke ... there are other jobs too which aren't so crude, such as nuclear arms tester or space dancer that could ilicit humourous conversation.... </font id="quote"></td></tr></table></blockquote id="quote"> "May I help you, ma'am?" "Yes, I am here to complain about your Want Ad. I just heard your ad on the radio for a position testing new clear tampons. I'm just shocked that you would exploit women in this manner. Why, you ought to be ashamed! It's disgusting!" "Oh, I see. Well, I am sorry, ma'am, but ..." "You don't understand, I demand to speak to the manager immediately! The very nerve!" "Hmmm. You DO realize that the position involves testing nuclear weapons, right? I mean, we actually test real nuclear weapons to make sure they detonate properly. We have a hard time keeping the position filled. Employees just don't stay in place long. We have a serious problem with turnover. I just don't think that you--" "I never thought I'd see the day when people could get a job testing new clear tampons. How do you 'test' a clear tampon? Why on earth would you make clear tampons in the first place? Just because it's new doesn't mean it's better--what a horrible marketing concept. You're exploiting women! It makes me so angry. Where's the manager! I demand -- Did you say 'detonate'? Disgusting!" "Ma'am! Ma'am! Put your umbrella down or I'll have to call the Police! Quiet, PLEASE! You could disturb one of our employees who's TESTING NUCLEAR WEAPONS!" "Wait, uh, um, did you say, 'testing nuclear weapons'?" "Yes, ma'am. This is the Precision Optics Observed Nuclear Testing Agency of Northrup Grumman. We test nuclear weapons here." "Oh. Nevermind!" Hommage to Gilda Radner

thanks foam[:D][:)]

quote: Originally posted by eaglefan538 <blockquote id="quote"><table width=90% cellpadding=10><tr><td bgcolor=FFFFCC><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote: Originally posted by myke It's okay Eagle I didn't mean to hurt your feelings I just think that we've had too much heavy discussion on here latley, something which I'm certainly guilty of as well. I was just hoping to turn it back into something fun. If you had read the link, there are other jobs too which aren't so crude, such as nuclear arms tester or space dancer that could ilicit humourous conversation. That's all my friend. You don't have to bow out.[:D] </font id="quote"></td></tr></table></blockquote id="quote"> I'm a serious guy. If ya want some lighter stuff from me, you're gonna have to tell a knock knock joke or something. LOL. Otherwise, I'll bite on the politics or religion stuff every time ;).

Okay, Knock Knock...

quote: Originally posted by FoamDome <blockquote id="quote"><table width=90% cellpadding=10><tr><td bgcolor=FFFFCC><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote: Originally posted by myke ... there are other jobs too which aren't so crude, such as nuclear arms tester or space dancer that could ilicit humourous conversation.... </font id="quote"></td></tr></table></blockquote id="quote"> "May I help you, ma'am?" "Yes, I am here to complain about your Want Ad. I just heard your ad on the radio for a position testing new clear tampons. I'm just shocked that you would exploit women in this manner. Why, you ought to be ashamed! It's disgusting!" "Oh, I see. Well, I am sorry, ma'am, but ..." "You don't understand, I demand to speak to the manager immediately! The very nerve!" "Hmmm. You DO realize that the position involves testing nuclear weapons, right? I mean, we actually test real nuclear weapons to make sure they detonate properly. We have a hard time keeping the position filled. Employees just don't stay in place long. We have a serious problem with turnover. I just don't think that you--" "I never thought I'd see the day when people could get a job testing new clear tampons. How do you 'test' a clear tampon? Why on earth would you make clear tampons in the first place? Just because it's new doesn't mean it's better--what a horrible marketing concept. You're exploiting women! It makes me so angry. Where's the manager! I demand -- Did you say 'detonate'? Disgusting!" "Ma'am! Ma'am! Put your umbrella down or I'll have to call the Police! Quiet, PLEASE! You could disturb one of our employees who's TESTING NUCLEAR WEAPONS!" "Wait, uh, um, did you say, 'testing nuclear weapons'?" "Yes, ma'am. This is the Precision Optics Observed Nuclear Testing Agency of Northrup Grumman. We test nuclear weapons here." "Oh. Nevermind!" Hommage to Gilda Radner

Sorry foam, but I can't believe no one's seen the acronym. Everyone look closer. Precision Optics Observed Nuclear Testing Agency of Northrup Grumman.