again expropriation rears it's ugly head. an ugly term and idea that shows the worst of capitalism/democracy.

Screw them. They violated law per the article. Sue and sue some more.

someones getting hosed thats for damn sure!

quote: Originally posted by Cottrell http://www.caledonianrecord.com/pages/local_news/story/4fe632a9d [:(] Here's hoping they sue and win.

Sounds to me like Emminent Domain is being thawarted again. I never liked the premis of Emminent Domain. To me, it's just plain unconstitutional. If the owner of the brewery receives fair market value for his property, and/or is relocated at Walgreen's expense, then I don't have a problem with this. I am all for capitalism, but Emmient Domain rears it's ugly head one to many times in the interest of eviciting the small business entrepenur to make way for the coporate giant. That is just not right! Why can't Walgreen's find it's own property? It just doesn't make sense and is unconstitutional to boot!

Sounds like nothing of the sort, eminent domain, since they don't own the property. Apparently, Franconia's lease agreement w/ the Trust was weak and allowed for such a termination. Eight extra days would not have made a difference, and I'm assuming that's all they could "win" if they went to court: eight extra days. This is why business negotiate longer term lease deals long before their current lease runs out. It's a tough world, this capitalism, but this isn't unique to the beer industry.

quote: Originally posted by eaglefan538 Sounds like nothing of the sort, eminent domain, since they don't own the property. Apparently, Franconia's lease agreement w/ the Trust was weak and allowed for such a termination. Eight extra days would not have made a difference, and I'm assuming that's all they could "win" if they went to court: eight extra days. This is why business negotiate longer term lease deals long before their current lease runs out. It's a tough world, this capitalism, but this isn't unique to the beer industry.

That being the case, Fan, they should still get some equal value for being ousted....I am not an expert with leases, but if the owners of the property are willing participants in all of this, fair market compensation and relocation provisions should be made a part of them. The same thing happened with my barber shop. They rented from a mom and pop general store that had been on the main drag for years, and the mom and pop shop along sold to Eckerd, thus leaving the barber shop and a neighborhood bar out of the loop. Not exactly sure what the circumstances were with what was worked out, but the barber shop had since relocated. I see no reason why this microbrewery can't do the same, unless Walgreens is really screwing them big time!

quote: Originally posted by Oiznop That being the case, Fan, they should still get some equal value for being ousted....I am not an expert with leases, but if the owners of the property are willing participants in all of this, fair market compensation and relocation provisions should be made a part of them. The same thing happened with my barber shop. They rented from a mom and pop general store that had been on the main drag for years, and the mom and pop shop along sold to Eckerd, thus leaving the barber shop and a neighborhood bar out of the loop. Not exactly sure what the circumstances were with what was worked out, but the barber shop had since relocated. I see no reason why this microbrewery can't do the same, unless Walgreens is really screwing them big time!

It would be "nice" if Walgreens helped move the microbrewery. It would add to their reputation a "nice" story. However, in the world of capitalism there is no requirement that they do so. That's a risk businesses take when they operate from a leased property, where the lease allows the other party out. I can feel compassion for the "little" guy here, but certainly understand why the big guy wouldn't give out freebies in helping the little guy move. Oiz, your comments lead me to believe you may not be a true capitalist after all. Have you been reading too much literature by Karl Marx, while drinking new beers? [:o)]

quote: Originally posted by eaglefan538 <blockquote id="quote"><table width=90% cellpadding=10><tr><td bgcolor=FFFFCC><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote: Originally posted by Oiznop That being the case, Fan, they should still get some equal value for being ousted....I am not an expert with leases, but if the owners of the property are willing participants in all of this, fair market compensation and relocation provisions should be made a part of them. The same thing happened with my barber shop. They rented from a mom and pop general store that had been on the main drag for years, and the mom and pop shop along sold to Eckerd, thus leaving the barber shop and a neighborhood bar out of the loop. Not exactly sure what the circumstances were with what was worked out, but the barber shop had since relocated. I see no reason why this microbrewery can't do the same, unless Walgreens is really screwing them big time! </font></td></tr></table></blockquote> It would be "nice" if Walgreens helped move the microbrewery. It would add to their reputation a "nice" story. However, in the world of capitalism there is no requirement that they do so. That's a risk businesses take when they operate from a leased property, where the lease allows the other party out. I can feel compassion for the "little" guy here, but certainly understand why the big guy wouldn't give out freebies in helping the little guy move. Oiz, your comments lead me to believe you may not be a true capitalist after all. Have you been reading too much literature by Karl Marx, while drinking new beers? [:o)]

Oh Good Lord, NO!!!! This guy in the article if anything is the one who is complaining about being ousted. I guess I was looking at the "fair market value" aspect from the standpoint that this Microbrewery owned the property too. And since he doesn't own the property, you are correct, Walgreens has no obligation I guess to compensate, nor does the landlord under the terms of the lease (whatever they may be). Fair or not, that's the way it is. Like I said, my barber shop found a place to re-open. I don'think there is a reason as to why this microbrewery can't do the same.

quote: Originally posted by eaglefan538 <blockquote id="quote"><table width=90% cellpadding=10><tr><td bgcolor=FFFFCC><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote: Originally posted by Oiznop That being the case, Fan, they should still get some equal value for being ousted....I am not an expert with leases, but if the owners of the property are willing participants in all of this, fair market compensation and relocation provisions should be made a part of them. The same thing happened with my barber shop. They rented from a mom and pop general store that had been on the main drag for years, and the mom and pop shop along sold to Eckerd, thus leaving the barber shop and a neighborhood bar out of the loop. Not exactly sure what the circumstances were with what was worked out, but the barber shop had since relocated. I see no reason why this microbrewery can't do the same, unless Walgreens is really screwing them big time! </font id="quote"></td></tr></table></blockquote id="quote"> It would be "nice" if Walgreens helped move the microbrewery. It would add to their reputation a "nice" story. However, in the world of capitalism there is no requirement that they do so. That's a risk businesses take when they operate from a leased property, where the lease allows the other party out. I can feel compassion for the "little" guy here, but certainly understand why the big guy wouldn't give out freebies in helping the little guy move. Oiz, your comments lead me to believe you may not be a true capitalist after all. Have you been reading too much literature by Karl Marx, while drinking new beers? [:o)]

because your babershop dosen't need state and federal licensing, as yoour babershop isn't selling an edible product(unless there are haier eaters out there i don't know of) also, oiz, your babershop needed only to re-locate mirrors and few chairs and small stuff like scissors and barbicide, therefore needing ample, but small room, whereas a brewery needs vats and kettles and all the other equipment needed ro make. pastuerize, and keep beer. that is a lot more difficult than re-locating a babershop.